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Luxury items aren't only for the rich.

According to Market Watch low income families spend 40% of their income on luxury items and 60% on necessities.

The study showed that the more you earn the more you spend on luxury items.

If these low income families would save that 40% or put it towards education maybe they would not need so many social handouts.

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I agree with this...welfare should be to help, not to support unnecessary spending...

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Quote from 61falcon:
Toilet paper and toothpaste are luxuries to you right wingers.


If all you have is BS go somewhere else

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You obviously did not either redor comprehend the article ion Market Watch!!They were including people with incomes up to $47,300 as low income.An average family of 4 on welfare gets $900 per month which translates $10,800 per year,and singles on welfare get $200 per month or only $2400 per year.The AVERAGE senior citizen collecting Social Security only receives $1341 per month from which $109 is deducted before they get their check for MEDICARE, so they only receive a total of $14,784 for the year.So you tell me how either the welfare recipient or the retiree is going to spend anything on luxury...... Total bullshit!!Nowthe person earning close to the $47,300 can definitely spend some of their income on luxury items,but that is not low income by the standards of most Americans.

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Quote from bistia:
I agree with this...welfare should be to help, not to support unnecessary spending...


Everyone agrees with that except the ones who are getting by with it!

But, I bet over half of the people using social services are defrauding the system to begin with.

If that is true, we aren't talking about the ones that really could use a little hand up!

We are talking about thieves!

We already know that Billions of dollars in fraudulent claims are coming into Medicaid, and Medicare every year.

But, officials say, they do not have the resources available to investigate the claims so they have to let them just go unchecked.

The IRS has a similar problem.

Food stamp programs- the same thing!

Investigate! Put the resources in place to investigate to keep the fraud out of them.

Spend a little money- save billions!

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The US poverty level households live better with better conditions, amenities, luxuries than the European nations middle class...Let that sink in..

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Quote from fishnthec:
Everyone agrees with that except the ones who are getting by with it!

But, I bet over half of the people using social services are defrauding the system to begin with.

If that is true, we aren't talking about the ones that really could use a little hand up!

We are talking about thieves!

We already know that Billions of dollars in fraudulent claims are coming into Medicaid, and Medicare every year.

But, officials say, they do not have the resources available to investigate the claims so they have to let them just go unchecked.

The IRS has a similar problem.

Food stamp programs- the same thing!

Investigate! Put the resources in place to investigate to keep the fraud out of them.

Spend a little money- save billions!
where did you cut and paste the from??

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dww you are a raving idiot Europeans live far better than average Americans and have far better salaries and universal healthcare, do far more world travel than most Americans.Clearly you have never been in Europe.

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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
Luxury items aren't only for the rich.

According to Market Watch low income families spend 40% of their income on luxury items and 60% on necessities.

The study showed that the more you earn the more you spend on luxury items.

If these low income families would save that 40% or put it towards education maybe they would not need so many social handouts.


Doesn't it depend on your definition of luxury? I'd be interested in seeing what they're classifying as "luxury".

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I've watched them sell their EBT cards .... 50 cents on the dollar .

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What does that have to do with them buying luxury items??

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Quote from 61falcon:
What does that have to do with them buying luxury items??


Meanwhile falcon has no problem living off the taxpayers back!

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Quote from texasproud52:
where did you cut and paste the from??


Come on Tex! It's all common knowledge. You know it, I know it, the Senate knows it.

The difference is you would rather play the blame game instead of just resolving the problem. Typical Republican.

Write Ted Cruz and tell him to get to work on it. Tell him to do something worthwhile while in office, instead of throwing out the babies with the bathwater, and playing 2nd fiddle to Donald Trump. Tell him to have some balls and actually stand up to Donald Trump! Does he even know he looks like a p*ssy?

Fix the social programs, IRS, and the ACA, by giving them the resources they need to resolve these runaway problems.

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What constitutes luxury? a phone is necessary for emergencies, computers are needed for homework nowadays, furniture (at least a bed), clothing?

Are you aware there are salvation army/St. Vincent DePaul type outlets where people get new furniture and donate their used items? some of these items are like brand new.

Quit judging.

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Quote from 61falcon:
You obviously did not either redor comprehend the article ion Market Watch!!They were including people with incomes up to $47,300 as low income.An average family of 4 on welfare gets $900 per month which translates $10,800 per year,and singles on welfare get $200 per month or only $2400 per year.The AVERAGE senior citizen collecting Social Security only receives $1341 per month from which $109 is deducted before they get their check for MEDICARE, so they only receive a total of $14,784 for the year.So you tell me how either the welfare recipient or the retiree is going to spend anything on luxury...... Total bullshit!!Nowthe person earning close to the $47,300 can definitely spend some of their income on luxury items,but that is not low income by the standards of most Americans.


If you had bothered reading all of it you would not had embarrassed yourself.

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Quote from fearless8841:
Doesn't it depend on your definition of luxury? I'd be interested in seeing what they're classifying as "luxury".


It's not that hard to figure out.

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Quote from 61falcon:
dww you are a raving idiot Europeans live far better than average Americans and have far better salaries and universal healthcare, do far more world travel than most Americans.Clearly you have never been in Europe.


European dwellings average 800 sqft..A nice size travel trailer or small apartment. US poverty level over 1000sqft.. US households greater percentage of electricity, running water and sewage than its European counterparts..US leads in house ownership over the European nations...US has families own more cars, electronics, boats, atvs,etc. than the Europeans. US owns more land. US has higher percentage of people with ac. US has higher number of TVs and cell phones..US has more video games per household, the list goes on and on..

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Quote from fearless8841:
Doesn't it depend on your definition of luxury? I'd be interested in seeing what they're classifying as "luxury".


Would you consider a Rolex to be luxury? Or do you consider it a necessity for some people?

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dww I have no idea what the hell you are talking about European homes are as large if not larger than American homes!!Ask anyone who has been to Europe.European minimum wages put ours to shame,and they pretty much all have universal cradle to grave healthcare, with better results than we have here.

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I don't know what they consider luxury but I consider it cable TV, cell phones, internet, 60 dollar pants, 30 dollar shirts, 100 dollar shoes and all the latest electronics. Almost everyone I know has those things. You can't even give an old working tv away.

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I'm just saying... Muldoon says he has a Rolex and he is the biggest flaming liberal on the entire Western Seaboard.

I myself don't own a Rolex, but I see them advertised for $89 a month, gawd knows how many years because I never looked. If I bought one I'd have to buy two, as they are the kind of thing you hand down. So for me it would be a charity in ways, even if rooted in nepotism.

I'm pretty happy with my gifted to me Citizens. $0 per month and I wear it a hand full of times a year.

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Quote from sureshot40:
I don't know what they consider luxury but I consider it cable TV, cell phones, internet, 60 dollar pants, 30 dollar shirts, 100 dollar shoes and all the latest electronics. Almost everyone I know has those things. You can't even give an old working tv away.


60 dollar pants and 30 dollar shirts. About 10 dollars or less at the Salvation Army.

The wealthy give away the nicest stuff. A flat screen for 20 dollars.

don't judge.

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Luxuries

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Cable TV
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Having children
Booze
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Poor Americans have more living space in their homes than the average non-poor Swede, Frenchman, or German.

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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
Luxuries

$100 or more for Nikes
Cable TV
I phone
Fast food
Having children
Booze
Smoking
Illegal drugs
Junk food
Carbonated beverages
Designer cloths

You left out $50,000 car/pickup with a $250 a month full coverage insurance
They are to good to drive a clunker cause their daddy didn't teach them to work with their hands.

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96% of poverty level households reported their kids never went without food for 1 single day.

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Quote from orals4uladies:
72% of black kids are born to single moms living on welfare and government housing.


About half of the newborns in America come into this world with the courtesy of Medicaid.

Talk about being irresponsible. Why should we have to pay for their screw ups.

A lot of these kids are anchor babies.

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We already know that Billions of dollars in fraudulent claims are coming into Medicaid, and Medicare every year.

This

MEDICARE -- this is NOT an entitlement program -- it is paid for by the working taxpayer.

What you claim as "fraud" in the program probably ISN'T the recipient of the service but the PROVIDER ---

FRADULENT insurance providers (middle agencies) running up claims costs

and even

physicians and hospitals overcharging for comparable service, supplies, medications, care.

And then there are those medical institutions (physicians & hospitals) who are guilty of negligence, malpractice and malfeasance.

EXAMPLE 1:
had legal POA and court appointed Administration of an elder relative

must need nursing home care

medicare coverage

needed an aspirin for in-patient

Could not provide individually

Medicare had to provide

Medication provider approved by nursing home as ONLY medication source charged $10.00 per tablet for basic, generic aspirin

(true story)
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Patient admitted to hospital with apparent heart complaint

Patient received full care for 3 day stay

Patient Medicare coverage (80%/secondary coverage 20%)

Patient discharged home

Patient receives bill for $17,000.00+ (Medicare refused payment to hospital for failure to follow standard notification to patient criteria, overcharging, un-necessary hospitalization when patient stats not confirming medical condition)

Medicare contacted patient -- DO NOT PAY THIS BILL -- The US Attorney has sued this medical provider of the case.)

Medicare notified patient. (Do Not pay this medical provider for this billing. Medical provider has been found liable in legal court proceedings on this case.)

Medical Provider bills patient, again.

Patient contacts Medicare (Do Not Pay this provider) they have appealed.

Medicare contacts patient (medical provider has not been successful in the appeal of this case) you will not receive any further Billings on this service account.

Patient -- no more bills received.

(true story)

Summary: Medicare IS watching medical care for probable fraud.

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Quote from stellar007:
I'm just saying... Muldoon says he has a Rolex and he is the biggest flaming liberal on the entire Western Seaboard.

I myself don't own a Rolex, but I see them advertised for $89 a month, gawd knows how many years because I never looked. If I bought one I'd have to buy two, as they are the kind of thing you hand down. So for me it would be a charity in ways, even if rooted in nepotism.

I'm pretty happy with my gifted to me Citizens. $0 per month and I wear it a hand full of times a year.


Muldoon probably has a knock off Rolex. There used to be a huge flea market near Falcon that sold fake Rolex watches for $20.00.

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Cup

Medicare and Medicaid are entitlement programs.

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Not in the same sense of the word "entitlement" that you, other Conservatives, attempt to imply.

I am ENTITLED to my Medicare because I worked for it, I paid my fair share the the US government contracted with me to provide, I attained the age to collect, I met all regulatory requirements.

Medicaid is an individual state run program which must be qualified for by set standards set forth by state legislation. It is intended to assist the lowest income individuals, children, elder citizens, unemployed individuals (under specific guidelines). This is a program set up under the only 3 term president FDR after a Republican president ran this country off a cliff that resulted in the biggest economic crash in world history.

Are you sure you want to continue pursuing this discourse?

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Meanwhile the birth rate in the USA is at an all time low, and the average age of women giving birth is at an all time high!!!

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Meanwhile the birth rate in the USA is at an all time low, and the average age of women giving birth is at an all time high!!!


And?

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Only 66% of African Americans are born into single parent homes,not 72%.25% of non Hispanic whites are born to single parent homes.Asian and Pacific Islanders have by far the lowest rates of children born to single parent homes.

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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
Luxury items aren't only for the rich.

According to Market Watch low income families spend 40% of their income on luxury items and 60% on necessities.

The study showed that the more you earn the more you spend on luxury items.

If these low income families would save that 40% or put it towards education maybe they would not need so many social handouts.


Should the same go for Congress? Chaffetz recently suggested that Congress get a monthly housing allowance. Maybe they should stay living within their means as well. They shouldn't need any handouts.



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And we need a much higher birth rate to sustain us in the future!!!Especially white people,we are a dying breed.

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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
Cup

Medicare and Medicaid are entitlement programs.


But you'll be depending upon it when u need healthcare and to pay for your meds. Some Of u republicants need psych meds! starting with trump! You'll be applying for it because u believe that ur "entitled" to such benefits. If u actually worked n earned an honest dollar and paid into it ur entitled to it! I pay into it thru payroll deductions so yeah I gonna be using it!

It just amazes me how many dh posters here that are clearly unemployed and are crying the loudest! Some conservatives sittting here crying that applied for government assistance programs(food stamps, ssi unemployment n disability..etc.)

And don't think us working folk should get it!



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People on welfare CANNOT AFFORD luxury items PERIOD!!!!

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Quote from fishnthec:
Come on Tex! It's all common knowledge. You know it, I know it, the Senate knows it.

The difference is you would rather play the blame game instead of just resolving the problem. Typical Republican.

Write Ted Cruz and tell him to get to work on it. Tell him to do something worthwhile while in office, instead of throwing out the babies with the bathwater, and playing 2nd fiddle to Donald Trump. Tell him to have some balls and actually stand up to Donald Trump! Does he even know he looks like a p*ssy?

Fix the social programs, IRS, and the ACA, by giving them the resources they need to resolve these runaway problems.


Playin the game with no clear winner!

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Quote from citylights01:
Should the same go for Congress? Chaffetz recently suggested that Congress get a monthly housing allowance. Maybe they should stay living within their means as well. They shouldn't need any handouts.


If you want to talk about congress start a new thread.

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Quote from 61falcon:
People on welfare CANNOT AFFORD luxury items PERIOD!!!!


No shit Sherlock.

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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
If you want to talk about congress start a new thread.


You were talking about the poor needing to live within their means, so I provided an example that showed it isn't just the poor.

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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
If you want to talk about congress start a new thread.


You started this thread, Robot, with the intent of garnering discussion on Medicaid and Medicare, didn't you?

Then STFU!

you can't discuss Medicare and Medicade without discussing Congress since Congress is the governmental agency which establishes the laws and protocols of these programs.

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Quote from citylights01:
You were talking about the poor needing to live within their means, so I provided an example that showed it isn't just the poor.


If you had bothered to read the story you would had known that was already covered.

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Quote from cupocheer:
You started this thread, Robot, with the intent of garnering discussion on Medicaid and Medicare, didn't you?

Then STFU!

you can't discuss Medicare and Medicade without discussing Congress since Congress is the governmental agency which establishes the laws and protocols of these programs.


No that was not the intent. You brought that up. Read the posts dummy.

Now you shut up.

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Quote from orals4uladies:
72% of black kids are born to single moms living on welfare and government housing.


About half of the newborns in America come into this world with the courtesy of Medicaid.

Talk about being irresponsible. Why should we have to pay for their screw ups.

A lot of these kids are anchor babies.


You brought it up.

I told you to STFU.



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Quote from orals4uladies:
72% of black kids are born to single moms living on welfare and government housing.


About half of the newborns in America come into this world with the courtesy of Medicaid.

Talk about being irresponsible. Why should we have to pay for their screw ups.

A lot of these kids are anchor babies.


You brought it up.

I told you to STFU.


Listen hear you Nazi liberal puke. What's wrong you having PMS or maybe your drugs stopped working.

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You right wingers worship the shit head in the White House yet 7 SEVEN times. he lived far in excess of his means and SEVEN 7 Times the court systems of the good old USA stuck his creditors with the bills of his mistakes......he in my book is far worse than welfare recipients.They are poor and have little to nothing but he is just a pure scumbag.

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Quote from 61falcon:
You right wingers worship the shit head in the White House yet 7 SEVEN times. he lived far in excess of his means and SEVEN 7 Times the court systems of the good old USA stuck his creditors with the bills of his mistakes......he in my book is far worse than welfare recipients.They are poor and have little to nothing but he is just a pure scumbag.


Your so full of shit your breath stinks.

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Quote from 61falcon:
You right wingers worship the shit head in the White House yet 7 SEVEN times. he lived far in excess of his means and SEVEN 7 Times the court systems of the good old USA stuck his creditors with the bills of his mistakes......he in my book is far worse than welfare recipients.They are poor and have little to nothing but he is just a pure scumbag.


Trump also sent other investors into bankruptcy

Pretty good scam Trump had going......He gets investors monies together for a project that will carry the Trump name, Trump takes their monies and tells them he will be the project manager and charges them a fee ,trump never puts up his own money but profits as the project manager instead.......Project goes bust, investors lose their monies Trump's COMPANY files for bankruptcy .........Trump had ZERO risk, scams the US out of tax revenue and then those who lost THEIR money end up filing as well..........

but, hey that's business , no harm in a billionaire and his millionaire partners doing the scamming

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Quote from fallguy02379:
Trump also sent other investors into bankruptcy

Pretty good scam Trump had going......He gets investors monies together for a project that will carry the Trump name, Trump takes their monies and tells them he will be the project manager and charges them a fee ,trump never puts up his own money but profits as the project manager instead.......Project goes bust, investors lose their monies Trump's COMPANY files for bankruptcy .........Trump had ZERO risk, scams the US out of tax revenue and then those who lost THEIR money end up filing as well..........

but, hey that's business , no harm in a billionaire and his millionaire partners doing the scamming


What does Trump have to do with this topic.

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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
What does Trump have to do with this topic.


because you are suggesting low income families are defrauding because they have "luxury' items

and some of us are showing you how those who already live in luxury have been defrauding ALL of us

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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
Listen hear you Nazi liberal puke. What's wrong you having PMS or maybe your drugs stopped working.


Is that the best you've got? Weak wuss.

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Let the stupid f**kstain starve.

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Quote from 61falcon:
People on welfare CANNOT AFFORD luxury items PERIOD!!!!


So those new cars, new clothes, jewelry, and iphones are just imaginary as they pay for 200.00 of groceries with the ebt card..

96% of US poverty households said no child went hungry.